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by norquist. norquist far more powerful than karl rove and fox news. >> you do believe that? >> much more. he could destroy any republican who goes against the pledge. he's really powerful. i have known grover for years. >> even though democrats won the presidential election? doesn't that change the calculus? >> he would say these people are all safe seats if they don't get against the pledge. norquist has the division so to speak. he could destroy any republican who says the word tax increase. has he said -- he said if they're seduced by democrats in pure thoughts this is the so-called i can smell pornography when i see it. this is pornography for grover norquist. he can smell it when he sees it. he will target. he will destroy republicans who go against the pledge. he's much more powerful than any individual republican. and individual ceo. let's just face it. i've always felt he was the most powerful person in the class of '76 at harvard. enjoyed his success because he was a fellow member of the harvard crimson. i just disagree with him. terrific guy. >> with friends like that -- >> with al
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